In my opinion, Verse 23 is best read in light of the entire chapter rather than quoted by itself in isolation. In this paper, I offer a theological interpretation of 2 Nephi 25:23 that is distinct from any other in the relevant literature. 25:23. is the use of the word . Posted in Mormon Dilemmas, tagged 2 Nephi 25:23 vs. Ephesians 2:8-9, bible, Book of Mormon, false doctrines, false prophets, Jesus, mormonism, Salvation by grace or works on 02/04/2012| Leave a Comment » Salvation by What? But in order for these supreme blessings to be effective in our lives, we should first do our part, ‘for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.’ Let us with faith, enthusiasm, dedication, responsibility, and love do all that is within our reach, and we will be doing all that is possible to achieve the impossible—that is, to achieve what for the human mind is impossible but with the divine intervention of our loving Father and the infinite sacrifice brought about by our Savior becomes the greatest gift, the most glorious of realities, to live forever with God and with our families” (“Attempting the Impossible,” Ensign (Conference Edition), November 2009, p. 34). Nephi put this principle in a tremendous orbit when he said, ‘For we labor diligently to write, to persuade our children, and also our brethren, to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). He cites 2 Nephi 25:23 as support for his assessment, but also 1 Nephi 13:40, in which the angel who asks Nephi, “Knowest thou the condescension of God?” (1 Nephi 11:16), repudiates the notion of a shared responsibility for salvation. I served on the Seminary Council and one of my assignments was to speak in Sacrament Meeting. Nephi’s statement “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23) has been the source of much discussion among Latter-day Saints. That [is] the pure doctrine of the scriptures” (Harold  B. Lee, “Viewpoint of a Giant,” Summer School Devotional Address, Department of Seminaries and Institutes of Religion, Brigham Young University, July 18, 1968. It denotes logical separateness rather than temporal sequence. He is right, being saved from sin requires two things, accepting Christ (faith) and repenting of one’s sins. 2 Nephi 25:2 Nephi admits that he has avoided teaching his people many things about the life among the Jews in Jerusalem – because of the wicked lifestyle of that culture. LDS 2 Nephi 25:23 Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Hammster, Aug 2, 2016. Exaltation only occurs when a person has “obedience to gospel law.”. Other leaders have agreed with Lee’s interpretation of the verse, including: Apostle David A. Bednar (after citing 2 Nephi 25:23): “Certainly, ‘we believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel’ (Articles of Faith 1:3)” (David A. Bednar, “Therefore They Hushed Their Fears,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2015, p. 49). . The phrases “the manner of the Jews” is the same in John 19:40 and, “works of darkness” is same in Romans 13:12 . Its walls were, for height and width, one of the wonders of the world. 20-27 2 Nephi 2:24 All Things Have Been Done in the Wisdom of Him Who Knoweth All Things. Nephi’s statement “it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23) has been the source of much discussion among Latter-day Saints. His explanation includes prophecies about his own posterity that will be fulfilled when Jesus appears to the Nephites in the book of 3 Nephi. The Lord will not again forsake his people. Although he now echoes Robinson’s interpretation, BYU professor Robert L. Millet previously had coauthored a Book of Mormon commentary where he had explained in 1992. Such a stand, while sounding “almost biblical,” is still in opposition to both Ephesians 2:8-9 that was conveniently cited as well as interpretation of 2 Nephi 25:23 given by the missionary. « Previous 2 Nephi 25 Next » All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. 2 Nephi 25:23, of course, contains the famous verbal formula, “we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” Latter-day Saints of varying theological stripes frequently treat this formulation as providing a resolution of debates regarding grace and works, although the resolution they see the text as pointing toward varies. Ellipsis in original). After all, the Bible teaches that there is nothing a person can do to earn God’s favor, no matter how much effort is exerted. We tend to focus on the last phrase “after all we can do” as the important part of this verse. Reading the Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Lesson 9 reminded me of a talk I gave back when I was in high school. One of the missionaries (elders) looked at me and exclaimed, “Isn’t that a great verse? “Thus, the correct sense of ”2 Ne. It may be regarded as the ‘Mormon’ contribution to views of the Atonement of Christ, for it is to be found no where else except in Mormon literature.’ The perfect relationship between the atoning grace of Christ and the obedient efforts of mankind is powerfully stated by Nephi: ‘We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do’ (2 Nephi 25:23). The House of Israel will be redeemed in the Millenial day. All the pain and travail of previous generations will be turned to joy. Except for the atoning power, the redeeming power, of the Master, redeeming the world from the Fall, bringing us back into relationship with one of the Godhead, the Holy Ghost—were it not for His sacrifice for us, none of us would be worthy to enter in His presence, except we were bathed in His blood through repentance of all our sins and our faithfulness to the end (see 3 Nephi 27:19). Come Unto Christ. For instance, twelfth President Spencer W. Kimball introduced 2 Nephi 25:23 by writing this: One passage in the Book of Mormon, written perhaps with the same intent as Paul’s statement above—to stress and induce appreciate for the gracious gift of salvation offered on condition of obedience—is particularly enlightening (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p. 207. According to Reynolds and Sjodahl, Babylon was one of the great cities of the ancient world, perhaps the greatest. The reason we can say that is that God Himself does not change--He isn't wishy, washy. “After all we can do” means leading chaste, clean, pure lives, being scrupulously honest in all our dealings and treating others the way we would want to be treated (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 354. He cites from Ephesians that salvation is a “gift of God: not of works,” yet he still says “we will never deserve more than we receive.” Works “alone” can’t save us, he says, as “grace is an absolute prerequisite.” So, in other words, it is not by grace alone but grace and works (“saved by grace after all we can do”). "All that we could do [was to] repent of all our sins 1 And now, Jacob, I speak unto you: Thou art my a firstborn in the days of my tribulation in the wilderness. But what Nephi is actually writing here is a very Pauline-like statement to his children and brethren that even after all they can do under the law of Moses, which they must … One leader who did not mince his words was the eleventh president of the church, Harold B. Lee. Why did most not look at the Brass serpent that would save them and what did the Brass serpent represent? My daughter Carissa has a master’s degree in English. Emphasis mine). To request a free subscription, please visit here. I love 2 Nephi 25:23- 'That it is by Grace that we are saved'- such a great lesson for this week! . According to Nephi, what do we need in order to understand the words of Isaiah? Perhaps he means “preposition of contrast/concession,” which includes words like “in spite of” and “despite.” An example of a preposition of separation would be “from” or “off.” I don’t think that’s what he really means. While Robinson and other Latter-day Saints might like the idea that they are “saved by grace” “in spite of” all they can do, this has not been the view of LDS leaders throughout the history of the church. This is a classic statement of how grace applies to us. wet. 2 Nephi 25:23–24, 27. Shall Be As When God Overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah: In 2 Nephi 23:19-22 we find a prophecy of the destruction of Babylon. Perhaps as much as praying for mercy, we should pray for time and opportunity to work and strive and overcome. In his book Believing Christ, Robinson explained: I understand the preposition “after” in 2 Nephi 25:23 to be a preposition of separation rather than a preposition of time. Thoughts? James Faust, who served as a member of the First Presidency, was also quite clear in his interpretation of the phrase when he told a General Conference audience. 2 Nephi 23:19-23 Babylon . 91-92). I explained how I enjoy giving away 12th President Spencer Kimball’s book to Latter-day Saints walking to events sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, including General Conference sessions, temple open house events, and BYU football games. Deuteronomy 6:14. In a later general conference talk, Lee also said, “Truly we are redeemed by the atoning blood of the Savior of the world, but only after each has done all he can to work out his own salvation” (Conference Reports, October 1970, p. 116). 2 Nephi 25:23-30 The Purpose of the Law of Moses. (25) 2 Nephi 25:23 – A comment. The sense is that apart from all we can do, it is ultimately by the grace of Christ that we are saved. According to Reynolds and Sjodahl, Babylon was one of the great cities of the ancient world, perhaps the greatest. According to the direction and influence of. The phrases “the manner of the Jews” is the same in John 19:40 and, “works of darkness” is same in Romans 13:12 . . “After all we can do” includes extending our best effort. Another general authority, Seventy Theodore M. Burton, cited 2 Nephi 25:23 and explained. After quoting thirteen consecutive chapters of Isaiah's writings in 2 Nephi 12-24 (Isaiah 2-14), Nephi begins to prophesy "in plainness." Hey Friends! Thirteenth President Ezra Taft Benson explained his interpretation of “after all we can do” when he said. The Millenial day, then, becomes a day of song and praise to the great Jehovah-he who gave the law-he who would come and dwell in the midst of his people. Combine that truth with the love we feel for our children, our parents, our siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews, and many other people, and we have a powerful motivation to testify more frequently and in more different venues. 2 NEPHI 25:21 – 26:11 MESSAGE TO THE CHILRDEN OF LEHI 25:22 the nations who shall possess them shall be judged . Tag: 2 Nephi 25:23 After “all” the Bishop Could Do, it Wasn’t Enough. 25:232 Nephi 25:23 to be a preposition of separation rather than a preposition of time. (2 Nephi 25:23–24, 26, 29) This sure knowledge of Christ, had by the Lehites, was tied to the bedrock of the personal testimonies of at least four prophets who had actually seen the Savior. Ye shall not go after other Gods. Doesn’t the book of James say that “faith without works is dead”? It is not. The way too simple / easy and represents Jesus Christ. “THE LORD BLESSES US TO THE DEGREE WE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS. 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