Thanks for your feedback! After the last coat dries, pole-sand the wall with 120-grit paper. Thanks in advance. Now there are vertical runs in the wall where the paneling glue pulled the paint layer off down to the drywall paper layers. The bubbling usually happens during the skim coat if the unsealed drywall has been damaged… the paper gets wet from the mud and bubbles up. People give their advice and you hope it works; and yet sometimes, your house just doesn’t fit the mold. This is virtually unavoidable, so bust out the trowels, mudpans and sheetrock mud and prepare the walls (skimcoat) A little vino and music helps it go by quicker. As someone who reads via email, can I ask your opinion on them, specifically? Are you recommending the RX-35 sealer prior to the skim coat, with a different primer in between the sanding and the painting? (@*^ wallpaper down, that is. Enjoyed your tutorials. Very helpful. Oh man, I am so happy to have found this! I’m not a pro by any means but I can usually get a wall smooth enough in three passes of increasingly larger drywall knives. I highly recommend it. It looks ugly. After the skim coat has been applied thoroughly on the entire vehicle and has been allowed to dry properly, then you’re ready to sand the filler to smooth it out and allow for painting. I didn’t know the tools I needed. But I typically do a light pass with a sanding block after everything else is finished. Ouch . A skim coat can be painted once it is dry. My dining room wallpaper became “symbiant” with the wall, so I primed & painted right over the top of it! And below the chair rail in the DR, I have wallpaper, then paint, then three layers of wallpaper. So all of that to say: I needed an answer, I looked it up, collected any helpful info there was on the subject into a workable tutorial for myself, and kept going. Lots of luck! I considered chopping it up into smaller bits, but when I look for tutorials, I don’t like having to click around a lot. As long as the surface is ready for repainting, it will also be ready for skim coating. Love ya work and not even sure how I ended up here but glad I did :-). You can definitely skim coat over paint, but it depends. I plan to do some serious drywall replacement in this room as well, and Im wondering if I should primer this new drywall as well? I agree with Minot. I don’t see why I wouldn’t use this technique for a piece of drywall that has some paper damage here and there, though. Before reading any further, I should note that I’m reading this blog entry after I attempted a similar “drywall restoration process” of my own, if not nearly identical to the tips given above. I do truly get excited when I see that there’s a new post. The walls that were “pocked” I ended up just using orange peel texture. Not having to wait for a day at a time as with the premixed varieties. We recently purchased a house with a very thick texture on the living room walls and ceilings. I’m a chatty person by nature, and blogging just seems to fit, so I’ll throw in some crazy shit that has nothing to do with DIY every now and then too. Hi I’m a professional wallpaper hanger for almost 40 years. It only takes a few roller marks or sprayer lines from inadequate pressure to ruin a beautiful project that takes weeks of prep. I have a bag each of 20-minute, 45-minute, and 90-minute compound on hand and which one I use depends on the job. I usually do that but i amd reskimming about 400 sq of ceiling for a woman. Put on the second coat like the first, cutting in around edges, … Yes, prior to skim coating, I began by sealing off the old paper. So happy I found your blog- it is just what I needed! White. Please see our full disclosure here. and one of 90 min. I have a couple of walls that I have just pulled wood paneling off of, and found they nailed and glued the stuff up on top of a finished, satin/eggshell painted surface. I also though that the harder surface was more appealing. Oh boy, after reading the original skim coat tutorial and then the follow up, I’m trying to decide whether to just hire someone to come put wallpaper up again or try my hand at the venetian plaster finish, anything sounds less daunting then what you have done! Trying to get my ducks in a row for the next step, even though it might be a year in the future ? Maybe I’ll build up some ambition by Christmas break! 27 year painter. I forget the name, but I know that details are here. Do you have any thoughts on this? Success! Cue the sad trombone. Sure! And I certainly didn’t know the lingo. Your Not-So-Serious Guide to DIY Home Improvement, Home Repair, Woodworking, Food, and Decorating | Atlanta, GA | Sarah Fogle. If the wallpaper was put up on a wall that was unprimed or unpainted it tends to soak into the drywall paper thus creating tears. Wallpaper brightens up a room and adds an element of style, unless you don't like the pattern or the color. So, I bumbled my way through a couple of walls, read various online forums, learned a few tricks, and combined all of that new knowledge into a lengthy skim coating tutorial of my own. I think they would be fun to try out, but I’m also pretty sure my small frame means I’d look somewhat like a garden gnome using a snow shovel. This works every time for me with the best results. In any case, RX-35 is the drywall repair primer, friends, and R-35 is a primer for difficult surfaces like ceramics. Same amount of work, less $$. I’ve had pretty good results with other Zinsser products before, so I went on the hunt to find it. Loved reading your experiences at home improvement!! It will flake from the walls and take your precious work with it. I wanted to look at it this morning but he got there pretty early and had already put on the 2nd coat. JOHN. Not one that talks to me like I’ve already done this 100 times, and not one that only gives me half of the information I need. I’m really new to painting after wallpaper removal and was never so happy to hear the sealer doesn’t need to be oil based. Unless otherwise stated, all images owned by Sarah Fogle & the Ugly Duckling House. Bubbling (or sometimes called “blistering”) happens when the paper layers in the drywall become separated. Im relieved to read this. Your blog and all the comments were nice to read. I’ve learned the same way you have-hopefully getting better each time also and learning about the different products. Anyway, everyone has just been telling me “oh yeah, once you get the wallpaper down you can texture it and you’re good to go!” I kept thinking to myself, “but I want smooth walls, not texture – does the word mean something else in this context?” So I finally googled it last night and sure enough, everyone has apparently been telling me that I should do some sort of faux finish which will hide imperfections, but unfortunately that’s not what I want. Re-posting content is not allowed, no exceptions. But I found what worked for me, and I wanted to help other people with the info I’d spent hours collecting. You probably don’t need to use the RX-35… it’s meant to work as a sealer, which the paint did already (as long as it stuck), so you can probably just start filling in the dings like you would when you mark up your walls after moving a picture frame. Anyway, thanks! So, always mix the joint compound (I prefer to make mine a tiny bit runnier than some of the other tutorials will tell you to do, but find what works for you). My parents were avid DIYers themselves, so it taught me I could probably do things myself if I just found the right instructions. I guess you could say…I took the Cheat way out!! Not just because of the quick dry, but using a compound that cures into a more rigid base may also help with the bubbling issue. Wipe off any sanding dust with a sponge. I did wipe the walls down with a damp towel before primering so I don't think that dust was an issue. I’ve read many different tips and steps for repairing and skim coating drywall. ;). Scrape first coat tight to wall then roll (yes roll) on thinned down top coat. I just have spots here and there, but mostly kept the drywall intact. For textured walls, DIYDiva.net is a great resource. ), and renovation realities from a short gal in the power tool aisle. Your best bet is to ask your painter who is doing the job if anything needs to be done between the wallpaper removal and applying spray texture steps. Unfortunately, I couldn’t find a single tutorial that had all of my answers. Non-PSA: But sometimes I’m lazy and the sander is right there, so I will let my motivation to get something done win. Good post for sure. Really. I repeated this back to her, and she reiterated that I should first do my floating, and only afterward prime it with the RX-35. When you skim coat a wall, you apply a thin layer of drywall joint compound to the entire wall in order to create a smooth, even surface. Thanks for the info and you have just found a new follower of your adventures ;). What a mess. Cover the floor with a canvas or plastic drop cloth. No bueno. While I haven’t started the repair process, I am going to abandon my plan to used oil based primer and opt for the rx 35. Painting Over a Skim Coat Because you deposit a thin layer of joint compound on the wall when you skim coat, it's important to prime before you paint. Your drywall guy is right about flat paint being the best way to prime walls but all the mud has to be consistent and it should be applied with a sprayer with good pressure and a wide fan . Trowel off each successive layer at a right angle to the previous one. I use only setting type joint compound. It will only then bubble (maybe) on the very edges. Of course, that also means you learn more new tricks and tips as you do the same projects over and over. And I keep finding links to your blog. Great information! My husband has been a licensed contractor since 1982, so this blog brought back memories of problems we encountered when we were first in business. It attaches to my shop vac with hepa filter and vacuum bag so no dust (yay). The problem is that I'm getting a large amount of bubbling in the compound. As there are for wood . Don't scrape your painted popcorn ceiling. I’m a teacher, and I’m usually not so excited to go back to school in the fall. Question..in lieu of Glidden Gripper, can I use RX-35 or Gardz after the final coat of joint compound has been applied? If you leave an affiliate or monetized link when making a comment on this site, such links might get overwritten by a plugin I have installed that uses my own internal tracking. Using a paddle mixer can be extremely helpful if you’re doing a lot of application in a single day. I’ll be using the paint roller method with a 1 1/4″ roller nap (cover) and I thinned down the all purpose joint compound with water. I occasionally talk about other things, like life and food and travel, but it's mostly my obsession with DIY and power tools that you'll find here! I’m soooo happy I found your blog! Where the drywall still looks fine, you’re probably alright not to have to use the RX35 (but it doesn’t HURT the process, so if you decided to go over the whole wall with it, you’re still probably alright). The only way to fix a bubble is to remove it and the offending unsecured paper that’s causing the bubble. You’re my absolute favorite blogger :), Donna, I can’t tell you how MUCH I appreciate your kind words. Thanks for your blog! I had no idea these even existed and they saved my life!!! The water in the latex paint will soak into the very top layer of drywall mud. Skim and prime and repaint the areas that are causing you some irritation, but don’t worry a lot about it… ceiling paint is ultra flat to hide imperfections on purpose, and most people won’t look at your ceiling very much, so it’s just something that you know about but doesn’t stand out, if you get what I mean. It took me many tries before figuring out what worked best for my walls. I’d rather do multiple coats that go on smooth and easy than use that stuff again. setting type that I had been using for the repairs seemed like a good idea. The tip of my taping knife worked great for getting under the bubble and removing the problem. Where was this post three months is ago? If you prime and the bubble pops up, then the drywall guy might not have actually fixed the problem (the fact that you hired out to have the problem fixed means that if it again pops up, you should make him fix the job you paid for). In my experience the setting type compounds are perfectly capable for skim coating. Add more water slowly until the mixture has a slightly thicker consistency than paint. But until I found the right product to help prevent them, I had to do this a lot. The bathroom is far from perfect, but we’re proud of it as our first go around. Lightweight compound goes on smoother for me if I thin it out, and that’s what was recommended to me when I first did it several years ago. A forum community dedicated to professional drywallers and enthusiasts. Good luck! Put mud on, take it off completely, then coat it heavier and you should not have any bubbles. DIYDiva has a pretty great post (or two) on that. Latex. ), and now, prepping for painting. But I learned that you don’t really have to. Myron Ferguson, “that drywall guy” states that he uses flat white latex paint as his “primer.” I do the same thing. If you have too many peaks and valleys, hit … is what I’m saying…we just bought our first house, there are a few rooms that need to have wallpaper stripped, my husband started in our guest bath because it’s tiny and we thought “how hard can taking down wallpaper be?” ha ha, what a joke. Come join the discussion about the industry, safety, finishing, tools, machinery, projects, styles, scales, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The remaining compound that your knife cannot scrape off is the skim-coat. You’ll want to use 120 grit sandpaper and be sure to sand in an ‘X’ pattern along the panels. But, I’m also a first time homeowner. Very little sanding I used to use the sander attachment you use but upgraded to a power pole one from Amazon cost about $150. The culprit is mainly sanding screens (recommended in my last tutorial), and the suction from the vacuum sticks the sander on the wall pretty closely. I don’t know if another company’s products are different or not, but it might be worth looking in to. I used it for outside trim on my shed and it went on like wallpaper glue (obviously I have a glue problem.). Once the mist coat has dried, you can apply two layers of the top coat of your choice. There is an “easy-sand” joint compound product that also dries in 45 minutes. This is because walls which have paint that is no longer in good condition will either need repairs or a professional may need to strip the paint first. It all looks good now but last night after he put on the first coat, that spot looked to me like it had a few bubbles in it. That covers most of the tools I still use, where to find them, a little lingo, and the basic steps for getting a smooth finish. The process of smoothing textured walls with skim coating is fairly common. And therein lies the challenge: the right tutorial for me. i've heard sanding the paint with 80grit works (but haven't tried it), and I'm curious if running over the surface with one of those round topped red zinnser wallpaper scorer things would help (since its the paint's refusal to let moisture into the board that bubbles the mud). See terms and disclosure page for more info! What is your recommendation from this point? As with most of the other quick-drying stuff, you will need to mix this on your own from a powder form rather than buying in a pre-mixed bucket (like you would with all-purpose or the lightweight stuff). I don’t have any wallpaper to fight or any need for glass-smooth walls here in the southwestern land of forgiving, texture spattered walls, but I appreciate the blood, sweat, and tears it must have cost you to gain this knowledge. It’s entirely defeating to see it happen, because it means a new problem to fix. It is EXACTLY what I want, but am having trouble finding it. It’s in my recaps in my dining room, but here’s the main post on it. While it may not seem like it’s loose, you may find out differently once you slap your first layer of joint compound on the wall. Its purpose is to essentially harden the loose drywall paper, making it that much more unlikely to cause bubbles. The back-and-forth motion of the brush leaves a pattern in the mud at the top of the wall that is called a hatband. 1 Treat a skim-coated wall like new drywall, with a coat of primer paint first. This material is porous, which means it soaks up a lot of paint. After the skim coat is complete, it is ready to take paint. For paneling, use an all-purpose joint compound that has been thinned enough to suit your purpose. I love opening my email and finding you have a new post. Yes! I’ve found that switching this up did help me to get a better finish on later projects, but it’s more prone to scratching (so prime that wall asap when you’re done!). Sadly for my little room, it will be the last room I tackle since it is the most unused room in the house. It was such a mess trying to layer and cut, layer and cut all of those holes. Red dot all purpose has glue or adhesive mixed in and works well over painted walls. Do I have to do all of these steps if your shooting texture? Pour the top coat color into a new paint pan. I had a similar problem some years ago when I had removed wallpaper and apparently the three scrubbings were not enough to keep the glue from attaching itself to the roller when painting. I used SW Drywall Primer. Ever.” box is checked. works for me. Totally new to all this… :-/ Thanks! Sand the primer coat lightly with very fine sandpaper and add a second coat if skimmed areas show through or the painted surface is not solid. From my personal experience, here’s what I got: In the first tutorial, I shared some info on what kind of joint compound (aka “mud”) to look for and where to find it. My opinion differs from yours in the choice of primer. yeah i usually durabond it.. but as u know mud or burabond gets air holes as soon as u put it on.. ive done that waited like 10 minutes and wiped it again and it helped some.. i was just wondering u can mix something in it or something like that.. because we mix dawn in the mud sometimes to help with air holes. It’s not perfect, and I’ve heard Gardz is even better, but the convenience of finding the right product is often just as important as knowing what it is in the first place. Seriously. I thought that the 90 min. Fingers crossed we both get things done asap! Paint. But your method is always the best way. It always frustrates me to read about the usefulness of something and then discover I can’t get my hands on it for weeks. The skim coating process involves applying a thin coat of joint compound to a divot in a wall to fill and cover the imperfection. A skim coat is a thin layer of plaster or drywall compound that’s applied to smooth out the surface of a wall. I found info. (I also tend to forget masks/respirators in the process of getting stuff done. I haven’t ever tried spray texture so I can’t say for sure, but I would think you would need to seal it first or the texture might bubble in weird ways (but texture hides a multitude of drywall sins, so it might not). (How’s that for a run on sentence?). I asked him if he thought there was an issue with the drywall itself in that spot and he didn’t think so. I’m in the middle of doing the first of a 4 room remodel. I stumbled on your blog accidentally just looking for a new diy/lifestyle blog and then I saw this post, like kismet. I’m a dyed-in-the-wool DIYER. Skim Coating to get rid of ugly texture . He ran into EVERY problem you talk about here, especially the bubbling! And that’s how 2600 words are made. Hi Sarah! While skim coating is often used to repair drywall, this process can also help treated areas that have already been painted. I’m glad to hear it looks fine right now, but shine a bright light on the spot in all angles to see if you see it already bubbling… usually in my case the bubble was present well before the paint went on. Would you want to continue to get emails the day (or day after) they are published, or would you prefer to get a single email each week that contains all of my latest updates? Hey there! Or what kind is best, If you cant find Adirondack Primer[black bucket] I,ve had good luck with kilz2. They get repainted, wallpapered, stripped, hammered, and scraped. I was able to purchase a quart of Gardz today and plan to put that on before I prime over that spot. 2. Skim coating is a quick and simple solution for repairing damaged walls. Now it’s sanded and looks great but I’m concerned that the bubble might reappear when I prime. I’ve dealt with a few more puzzling obstacles with each subsequent room, and despite the frustration, I’m probably better for it (at least for the next house, whenever that may be). I noticed an increase in the number of superficial scratches I get in the wall when using the vacuum sander than when doing things by hand. Read my complete disclosure here. I use a brush to cut-in, but I only do that for a few feet before I follow over the brush marks with a roller. And MAKING THINGS. I’m redoing a ton of stuff in my house, trying to increase the value so I can refinance. It appears to have several coats of high gloss paint over the top and the paint doesn’t reach all the way into the “valleys” of the texture. Cover doorways with plastic sheeting—held in place with painters tape—to contain the splatters and plaster dust within the room where you are working. Actually, level 4 includes all steps taking of coating and coating again with the joint compound over the joints and angles to create an even level. I’ve been to so many hardware/paint stores (big and small) and have said “My wall started bubbling after I started skim coating” and there was no help at all. It’s not that I was an expert; I couldn’t skim coat like a pro. Then, patch up the area with more joint compound. THANK YOU! I’ll show you the way to get around this and show you what to avoid. I was pretty disappointed, since it seemed like such a sure thing. Thanks again! Full disclosure here.. joint compound aka drywall mud: there are a few kinds, see Step 1 for tips on which one to use. I have high hopes that my walls will look great…someday. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I did want to draw your attention as I’ve read through your 2014 update to the material for skim coating. Over time, the walls in a house see some major wear and tear. Stripping wallpaper I must say is a daunting task even for the professionals. But then you know what not to do, and your completed project secretly holds all of this badass juju from knowing that it was your sweat that made it a reality. Latex paints are water based. Remove all furniture from the room. and they both specifically say “not intended for skim coating.” Both of mine are from the same company. I like tearing my house apart and putting it back together again. I also did a follow up one about tips on getting around pesky things like windows and outlets, so you can find that here. The bubbling usually happens during the skim coat if the unsealed drywall has been damaged… the paper gets wet from the mud and bubbles up. I’ve been searching for help with wallpaper removal (now done — is it OK that I’m more proud and relieved by that than following childbirth?! Then, come back and read the rest of these tips as a supplement to that tutorial. ;). You really want to concentrate on the areas that have the potential to bubble, which is anywhere the drywall was torn. Also, have you used the SHEETROCK brand of LIGHTWEIGHT All-Purpose Ready-mixed mudd which claims lower shrinkage & easier sanding? This is the second time I’ve stumbled on your blog via The Google Gods. I hope that helps you and I hope the bubble is long gone! Hot mud (20 min is what I prefer) works well for patching. However, if the surface has been damaged, exposed to water or if you have a very shiny paint to cover, some preparation will be necessary to ensure no bubbling develops in the finish when you're done. In a similar way, they suggest you to not use paints with textures such as eggshell or knockdown, as that kind of defeats the whole purpose of the flatness of a skim coat. Creating with my suggested methods, materials, and tools is under your own risk. Please ensure you are following proper guidelines with anything used, and seek professional advice if you don’t know how to do something! But, it seems to do the trick and seals the drywall paper. But I could not see any tear and there was never any wallpaper on the wall – at least that I’m not aware of. See my post on painting prep after drywall repair. But once it’s down and your walls are smoother, you’ll be really happy you have the result you want. And the smaller-sized products had been discontinued. I am soooooo not looking forward to this process but at least I feel a little better about starting it. I hope your walls turn out great. Lots of luck on your projects! I have found that while removing the wallpaper if you can just pull the vinyl part or solid paper off of the backing, then use hot water, Vinegar and fabric softener the paper backing and glue comes right off with little trouble. I’ve never tried the skim coating and wanted to try it this time around in a bathroom that just has nasty walls from the get go. a lengthy skim coating tutorial of my own, this helpful video from Our Home From Scratch, Add Sound-Dampening Drywall without Removing the Old. We often skim coat walls. :). The amount of dust you can accumulate when sanding drywall is a beast. One more example (an example to be avoided) of the effect of latex paints on drywall mud is the “hatband” effect that people get when a paint brush is used to cut-in when painting the area where a wall meets a ceiling. That “Do not use again. If you’re a beginner and aren’t confident about your technique, you can sand in between coats if you want. And plus any damages you did. So it’s best to encapsulate an old-school popcorn ceiling like this instead of tearing it out and re-doing the drywall. I’ve only used the RX-35 as a sealer, not a paint primer, and the residue is kind of tacky to the touch when dry… if you try it, let me know how it performs! The difference with level 5 is that the pro will add the skim coat or similar materials to make the whole surface even. Since this is pretty much a novel at this point, why not add a conclusion, right? Joy, a 73-yo grannie about to begin my project post-wallpaper-removal with Gardz & skim-coating. The primer is the way to go. I really hate skim coating but with an 85-year-old duplex covered in layers of wallpaper I don’t have much choice. After mud has been sanded, it needs to have the dust removed (to clean it) before it is painted. But when it comes to DIY, there is usually more than one way to do something. This year, I couldn’t wait! Ultimately, DIY projects are about learning; you learn once, and then you learn again. You also get FREE access to my plans & patterns libraries! It feels dry. The third (and thankfully, final) attempt worked. In fact, some pros who commented were very insistent on this after they discovered my first tutorial. Use this after taking your wallpaper down and before your first skim coat for a smoother finish. Sorry you had so much trouble. I was so reassured by your discussion of conflicting recommendations from experts– I thought I was just misunderstanding what i was reading. I had no previous experience fixing things to this extent before moving in. I would not use such a primer for walls that have been partially mudded or skim coated. I’m going to try it on the whole surface and cross my fingers, pray, throw some salt (probably not, that’s messy). It’s a tough job to say the least! I’m about to throw down primer this weekend with an airless sprayer, first time using it, hope it turns out good. Mission accomplished. 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